Is there ANY hope for game streaming? We tried them all.

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    There are so many game streaming services popping up, with so many idiosyncrasies, that it’s hard to keep it all straight. In this video, James takes Linus through a tour testing GeForce Now, Google Stadia, Microsoft Project Xcloud, and Sony PlayStation Now to see which one makes the most sense...except we didn't try Shadow.
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    1. Coteret

      I'm honestly really happy to see you give this a fair shake, and not just dismiss streaming in some elitest pc tirade (as many other outlets and publications I saw do). As someone in the camp of only having a laptop that can't run games, this has finally after years given me access to many games that were previously completely cut off to me. Tried GeForce a few times, running comp games (Siege, CSGO) and while there were a few moments (1-2 seconds) of dropped frames/connection, it ran without much noticeable delay.

    2. Urban Neptune

      The answer is simple as this, until game companies remove the option of physical consoles and everyone has Gig downloads speeds will it be accepted by gamers especially competitive gamers. No one is going to play on the cloud when physical consoles offer a gaming advantage, remove the advantage and players will be fine with it knowing they're all playing under same conditions.

    3. tadder sauce

      "We had to buy destiny 2?" lol

    4. macpac22

      Linus holds a controller like my dad...

    5. Paco

      I used GeForce Now when it came out for alpha first time I spent a lot of time playing Fornite on it,sometimes it was good,yet sometimes I would get on really bad server and it was unplayable

    6. Nyo Nor

      What is the point to test it on gigabit internet when 99% does not have one?

    7. D.A.C

      Bro i have a pc from 2006 and don't even have the real version of windows 7 because i can't spend the money on it

    8. Citrus 3301

      PIA is malware, why are you taking a sponsor from them...

    9. shperax

      Stadia is such crap. What gamer out there doesn't already have a huge steam library..... Google have their heads up their asses on this one.

    10. shperax

      I've tried them all with gigabit internet and 30 ping to their servers and the input lag is still noticable but I had no problem playing the games. It's just not ever gonna be better then like even a $500 PC build.

    11. Eugene McCullough

      /my vote is for xbox stremaing service i have sideloaded the app on my nexus player and for a beta it runs fine and i use my xbox 1 controller .stadia sucks

    12. PutzkeRulez

      why didnt you test shadow gaming?

    13. iamdmc

      stadia sucks

    14. J B

      PC - Master Race Console - Peasants Streaming Games - Slaves

    15. Anerdi1

      Notice how they suck Microsoft XCloud's and PlayStation Now's d**** but s*** on GFN and Stadia...🤔

    16. Laurent Baumann

      Not even a mention for shadow.tech? It's the best, you get a full Windows 10 desktop with all your games, without rebuying them, and fear of them disappearing. Plus the rig is powerful and latency is quite low.

    17. Bigdick Johnson

      getting a linus add on a linus video which has linus adds HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

    18. AdamCF

      What about shadow?

    19. Nam Phuong

      Imagine playing PS Now on PC when you can just hook up a PS4 to a monitor.

    20. First Last

      What about shadow tech.. it has apps for all devices and runs my games relatively fast and with low latency and my call of duty modern warfare at over 100 FPS. Its 12.99 a month at this time. Please use my referral link to get a extra $5 off your account for the first month. shop.shadow.tech/usen/invite/AARH8H08

    21. evann payne

      Linus is awesome.

    22. Zx7o

      What about Shadow PC stream? Play w.e you want because it's a full cloud PC

    23. LORD OF HACKS

      Try boosteroid

    24. Zenumasu Doragon

      GeForce Now on the Shield is damn near perfect

    25. aola wili

      "I play Halo with a dualshock" Microsoft has left the chat

    26. Ahmad Alsharrah

      <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="114">1:54</a> PlayStation one ??

    27. Austin Johnson

      i have a potato pc barely runs minecraft and cs go but i use geoforce now eith ethernet and it works just like a powerful pc

    28. SOMEWHERE I BELONG METEORA

      hey Linus (and Mr. Filthy), I'm trying to download Fallout Shelter On my Steam PC app. It's Scheduling my download everytime and not being downloaded or play. Please help me out.

      1. aola wili

        Am I the only one that doesn't care about graphics ?

    29. Hrishikesh Vichore

      What game is that at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="613">10:13</a>

    30. Max K

      Playing Halo with a dual shock on an iphone is just about the biggest middle finger to Microsoft one can feasibly achieve.

    31. Reynard Baillou

      You would think mac OS would be the main platform to go after since they don't usually have gaming options. Sony is stupid.

    32. cold hell666

      did he just said PlayStation one controller?

    33. kjcxbutter lmaoxd

      a rushed game is forever bad, and a delayed game has a chance to be good *cough* stadia *cough*

    34. Aaron Z

      Forget streaming I’m sticking with pc steam and consoles.

    35. Choyax Iceholocaust

      What was his internet connection speed? because i doubt that the quality of most games will be significantly lower with most internet users.

    36. FJforeverSOL

      Used the PS Now trial and 87 crashes or downscaling during gameplay later, I got through 2 hours of God of War. I have a 200/20 internet, the service is a complete joke.

    37. Da$hLife

      who tf really looks for fps

    38. Oussama Okbi

      "It's the blacks that look the most different to me" Excuse me what? xD

    39. Hunter Sheppard

      Is there any way to play warzone on a laptop using a streaming service?

    40. Martin Parunakyan

      Moonlight, Parsec, Steam Link. I use them weekly anywhere I can get 10mbps and a 5GHz or direct connection and have time to kill.

    41. GG Gamer

      When you run on 1080- and now Linus is running on 720p LOOK WHOS DA BOSS!

    42. crazydm7th

      I would use shadowtech over any of these systems shown in this video.

    43. Omoyele Richmond

      Am I the only one that doesn't care about graphics ?

    44. Sayandip Dhali

      "I play Halo with a dualshock" *Microsoft has left the chat*

    45. Adrian lambert

      Xbox one is pointless as most all of those games are available on PC anyway. PS games mostly aren't!

    46. eitsu_

      Geforce now is pretty good I have 100mb/s and I play games competitevily and I dont have any problems

    47. mikea hiooi

      " We tried them All" Never mentioned shadow.tech or paperspace.

      1. Ace Kuromatsu

        Ah, he did do a 20+ minute #ad on Shadow though

    48. Ben W

      Cause I’m Australia I already know none of these will work with 25mbs internet

    49. IRMacGuyver

      Not only is playstation now from 2014 it's a rebranding of OnLive which first launched in 2010. Cause I guess Sony couldn't be bothered to do it themselves?

    50. Ben Fullgrabe

      All this really confirms is that Linus is TERRIBAD at gaming.

      1. mikea hiooi

        everyone has a perfect connection. If you think we're stupid enough to give them that kind of control. The hunger game mentality has to stop.

    51. SaVii

      So screw social distancing?

    52. subscribe to me or your ultra mega Gay

      Has Linus heard of aiming?

    53. zbirdzell

      You totally forgot about PS4 Remote play. Which is 1080p gaming at a higher refresh rate that you can play on Android or PC. It's like having Nvidia Gforce Now, but free and unlimited. Any game I buy I can play anywhere.

    54. Nick Hyde

      I’ve been tempted to try out stadia, simply because I don’t have much of anything to play on in my tiny apartment, and I want to try Red Dead 2... but it worries me, I mean I’d be happy to play it on stadia, just to say that I played stadia, but google hasn’t exactly even reliable in the past, and I don’t want to buy something if it could seemingly get dropped at any moment.

    55. Romain Rochas

      Welles tu forgot Shadow pc (Who is THE french cloud cumputing that ou need to have) check it

    56. Yousef Alzanoon

      I use geforce now and it sucks how the developers take off their games for no reason.

    57. ΞProgenitorΞ

      Its shit. its a gimmick let it die.

    58. flioink

      Yeah, let's make gamers pay for the games and not even have their copy in their house. Let's charge them subscription fee to access their copy of a product on our platform. Sounds fantastic, sign me right in for this scam - fuck off!

    59. Santiago Vazquez

      No mention of Shadow? I'm in love with the service, streaming a whole windows PC where I can play my huge Steam library at high or ultra high settings :) shadow.tech/int

    60. Costa Apostolou

      social distance...

    61. Dismal Canuck

      Playstation now does have a pc app

    62. Harris Bokhari

      ok but can it run crysis

    63. Action Walch

      Linus, why do you have to be a hunter main

    64. Clayton Thomas

      so wait, you can't use a playstation controller with PS Now on PC?

    65. Zeek M

      There's no hope for game streaming because we're not about to let our game experience be controlled by evil greed corp. They want us to pay them for doing that to us. They want to lock gaming up behind a licensing pay wall. All while spying on you for the NSA The hunger game mentality has to stop.

    66. Apropos Racer

      Destiny 2 is free. “Did we have to buy this? No it was included with the bundle” thank goodness for that game bundle.

    67. Anthony Ciuffini

      On a 1080p tv using Stadia with HDR off Destiny 2 actually looks really good and performs way better. Yes it's unfortunate Bungie couldn't get 4k 60 working. Whether that's Google's fault or Bungie I can't say.

    68. Patrick Vargo

      Bad review. How did you miss Shadow? That would be like a video where Car and Driver reviewed all car manufacturers and forgot Toyota. Shadow is by far the best game streaming service - it's essentially a VDI, so you can even sorta use it for other stuff. I forgot PlayStation Now even existed.

    69. sam rowland

      1,000 Dislikes from people who believed the hype and thought they'd have an RTX 2080 in their front room for £100

    70. ---x-

      what about 5G? won't it make this possible

    71. Miloš Vukadinović

      <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="114">1:54</a> PLAYSTATION ONE?

    72. Ξ Y T H Λ X

      shadow win

    73. SpixlyTV

      If I could afford a nice new pc I’d be able to not use GeForce now

    74. elPumaProductions

      Stadia also offers 4k and 5.1 surround audio in their pro subscription. Nvidia and PSNow tops at 1080p stereo.

    75. elPumaProductions

      How about Shadow or Utomik? Shadow seems promising. But it's a shame they're not expanding so fast

    76. Noah Leitch

      stadia acts like when you turn vsync on in csgo or l4d2

    77. Tony ???

      He doesn't know about half the shit he talks about.

      1. monika laosi

        signal tho, GeForce Now is a better option because it lowers the streaming quality to reduce tearing and decrease input lag

    78. Andrew Gray

      No one ever mentions Parsec, but (with its own limitations) Parsec is exactly what it promises and what it claims to be. It's literally renting time on a virtual machine that can stream as much video and audio as your connection will handle, at latencies tied directly to your average number of hops between your PC and the server your VM is running on. I have no affiliation with them, and haven't used the service in a while. I mostly signed up for it out of curiosity. Their graphics-streaming-capable VMs run on AWS or Paperspace servers at a datacenter as geographically (and internet-infrastructurally) close to you as possible. In Seattle, I had ping times between 15 and 35ms. A lot of games with pretty decent graphics are solidly playable, even considering that graphics latency is far more sensitive than data latency. When I'd be signed in, I'd have traceroutes of five or six hops -- but at least theoretically, it's possible to bring that as low as four -- your router, your ISP, the datacenter and the VM server. What you get is a Windows virtual machine. Not a walled garden you have to pay extra to play games in. It's a windows VM. The environment comes with Steam already installed -- and you can sign into the Steam client with your own account. You can install software locally on your virtual drive. You can, and I did, install and run Dwarf Fortress. It was kinda cool to have a moderately- powerful VM running DF's world generation to make 1000-year histories. Competitive shooters are probably not good on Parsec, or any game where maximum responsiveness is critical -- but that limitation is shared by everyone in the space. The sickening part is that when Google announced Stadia, I assumed that it would be something like Parsec -- who, if anyone, can hit that theoretical four-hop goal? Hell, if this kind of thing caught on, Google could probably eliminate the ISP and bring it down to three hops. How they managed to mess this up I can't even. Yeah, Parsec won't do much for handhelds or for people who don't have high-bandwidth ultra-low-latency connections. But imagine the market forces pushing for low latency if something like a VM service were to catch on. With parsec, I paid for actual use time -- plus a nominal storage fee between sessions. If I told it to wipe my virtual drive when I signed out, it had zero ongoing maintenance cost when I was not signed in. The overall value prop at the time was just a tiny bit more than buying a gaming laptop every 18 months. Not a world-breaker by any stretch. But it or services like it deserve mention when talking about game streaming.

      1. monika laosi

        I play GeForce Now on my Moto Z3 w/Moto controller mod via 4G all the time. You don't need a controller on GeForce now tho, because it has an on-screen controller option. I

    79. Kevin Vilbig

      It is a bad idea from first principles.

    80. nuB

      "HDR" Destiny 2 is free. Just do some dang latency, and video compression tests. That's where the sacrifice is with these services.